Larger mailboxes are not a good thing for rural carriers


You might have seen an article I posted yesterday about the Postal Service approving new larger mailbox standards.  While it will not affect boxes currently on rural routes, (unless a customer voluntarily goes to the larger box) it will NOT be good for the craft as a whole.

I hope most of you know by now that the rural carrier evaluation system is currently undergoing an engineer study.  They are measuring everything rural carriers do.  I mean everything.  The new scanners can tell whether you go to the door with a package or not.  When the study is complete, we can be sure that parcels that go to the door will have a higher standard than those that fit in a box.

I know we all love the big boxes we can put parcels in, but the USPS officially making this change going forward is NOT going to be good for the craft.  This will most certainly hurt a route’s evaluation when the new standards from the Engineering study go into affect.

I think we all need to think about the ramifications when these boxes actually start showing up on rural routes.  I know that was the first thought I had!

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yes!! I just had that convo…this job will now be a “young man’s” job. I am bringing in 40# large parcels as a pick-up and delivering lead in flat rate box. The in/out of truck, coupled with digging the package out from under all other packages is def having a toll on body.

not true in my area!!

no they don’t…. It is subs doing Sunday Amazons and my boxes are ALWAYS filled on Monday!!!!

How is that fraud. I agree with Nancy. The postal service may be smart enough to take pictures with the scanners but there is no determination of how many packages a resident or business might have on that day. I do the same thing for my customers that have more than one package instead of serving both the box and have to walk to the door I would take it all to the door. Having to serve the box and walk to the door takes up too much time. I can say the postal service is getting smart by putting… Read more »

That’s fraud too.

That’s fraud.

“Parcels that go to the door will end up with a larger time standard than those that do not.”

What is the source of that claim? I haven’t seen anything about how the new standards will be arrived at.

I think this is long overdo, I don’t get paid for the extra miles I drive every day down driveways. You carriers that have LLV’s don’t pay for your fuel. Lets hope these engineers figure out a way for us in our own vehicles can get paid mileage

Present parcel credit is way out of line for the trips to the door. Rural carriers do not get paid by the foot for parcels to the door. If you can gather, sort, load, and deliver a shoe box to a mailbox in 30 secs you are doing well. The bigger ones to the door will still be a loss, but fewer means the loss is less. Less negative is a positive in my book. The scanners will track your trips by the foot, and eventually those feet will go into the evaluation.

Pull theirs and replace them with yours 🙂

Also the scanner cannot tell if the packages would have fit in the box but I took them to the door along with the package that wouldn’t fit in the box. One large package and 3 smaller packages left at door and scanned left at door.

Especially medicine. I have 6 lock boxes. Medicine and anything thicker than a southern living will not fit

the scanner can not tell what is inside of the box and what condition the box is in. Location and etc…

As long as the industrial study figures the right times for the things we do (such as pkg delivery) I’m all for the larger boxes. I know the USPS is just trying to save money but these larger boxes will make our jobs easier than serving the small ones that we have now. I don’t want to be dismounting for so many parcels when we don’t need to, if only the boxes were larger. I think almost every rural carrier loves when customers erect large mailboxes! I’m also tired of confronting dogs so often. We are getting enough large pkgs… Read more »

It was my first thought also, I knew they were not doing it for us

But w/all the lock boxes now, I’m carrying a lot of packages to the residence that would have fit in a regular box. Hope something is done about them too .

I hope that neither you nor Miss Lisa are involved in the time study, because carriers across the nation are depending on the time study carriers doing everything correctly in order for us ALL to benefit. I carry the scanner to the door. Have dropped it many times. Not my problem if it malfunctions.

Additionally, Lisa, it doesn’t matter whether the PO is counting the “new” big box or the “old” big box…if you are taking the package to the door, the standard will be higher than if you are delivering to the box.

Write down one of your tracking numbers, then go to the site after work, put the # in and it will tell you exactly where you left the package.

Weight has nothing to do with it. Dimensions do. Check your last mail count guide. 🙂

It was mine too.

Oh. my. Lord.

You *really* don’t get it, Chris?

I keep complaining about amazon Sundays , too many parcels found in the box on Mondays and sometimes you can’t even fit mail in the box . Will the time study include this problem lol

I’ve been getting parcels delivered on Sunday left IN the Mailbox

I agree! If they have to pay parcel postage because of the guide lines required to mail it.ex: thickness and size, we should get the credit for that parcel…do not bend…that is a parcel!! Anything with a bar code, box or.. bag…is a parcel…

Won’t affect new territory as the postal service is only allowing CBUs for new construction.

I suppose if you’re worried about it you could take everything to the porch no matter the size, just say the customer is worried about theft

The PM can see the very inch…this is fact

just like we have the blue rulers to use at mail count they will make a blue box the same size of the new standard size box if it fits in there it is a slug…… don’t think this won’t happen. anything smaller then a large shoe box will not be a to the door parcel, even if no one uses the new boxes… just because the standard is set this is the size they will hold us accountable for..

If they are flats, why are they in the buggy?

I hope this doesnt happen but its been brought up already so you know they will make it happen another way to screw the carrier.

Maybe they will open some daily package routes and create some new rural positions and get some us off the rca to rcr

As long as I am being paid fairly for what I do is all that matters. That’s what the time study is suppose to be doing for the rural craft.

Amen, Heywood. I’m with you!

The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!! You do realize you’re only getting ten seconds of street time for that parcel now? Even if it fits in the box, I can’t see the standard dropping past ten seconds.

Not to mention boxes with parcels from yesterday, full boxes, boxes changing overnight, etc.

Or take the info from the new scanners

Well just before mail count the PM does go out with us on our rts to count boxes. I am sure they will be counting them big boxes

So your argument is the increased time we will get for “to the door” parcels will be negated by what we lose in parcels fitting in the box? How much less than 10 seconds can it take? If you want something to worry about, worry about that 18 second scan credit.

OK so all the dozens of small ones I take to the door because of the lockable boxes with the tiny slot will make up for the few customers who end up with the new box.

Parcels that go to the door will end up with a larger time standard than those that do not. With these larger boxes, parcels that we would normally get paid to take to the door will fit in the box, thus giving us a lower time standard for the parcel

Yup…that’s why they changed the scanners…didn’t have a dam thing to do with….the customer

The customers can’t see where you left it, but the postmaster can.

We got folks constantly calling office to see if it’s there…from these drop offs…don’t they believe the email…

I asked one of my customers…she said it didn’t…I don’t order many packages..I don’t constantly check I’ll get it …unless it don’t arrive when it said…when I placed my order…

Actually it does let you know where you left it when you check.. I receive packages all the time and it tells me every time where my carrier left it.

They have no clue…where you left it…other than time it was…and it was delivered

Get ready for your body to give out…not your age…because…your workloads are getting heavier…our hands and backs will go quicker..

Sad, your time standards will surely be affected with the time study

I have tried taking scanner to door too to finish scan and dropped it so unless it is a long walk to door i just do it before i get out.